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  • November 22, 2024

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Debate: Which is better — Marvel or DC?

  • Debate

Round 1

Side 1: Recently there’s been a lot of hype about Marvel, but is it really all that everyone claims it to be? Not quite. Marvel’s recent popularity seems to be caused by its crazy flood of recent movies, which is going to make them seem more popular because they have more viewers in a given time frame, even if they were to get the same amount, or less, viewers per movie when compared to DC ones. Meanwhile, DC has been going crazy with TV shows for ages, and many of them are pretty popular, while Marvel seems to have only recently gotten into this area. This, of course, does not in itself make DC better, but the fact that they have had so many popular TV shows at all says something about their storytelling and animation. It also helps that DC hasn’t had to worry about copyright issues when creating their TV shows and movies, which is something that has limited Marvel quite a bit. This gives them more freedom of creativity and plot creation, thus making it easier to produce high-quality entertainment.

Side 2: Although DC has made a few great movies, usually involving Batman, they can’t hold a candle compared to the list of hits Marvel has put out. We need to remember the 2002 Sam Raimi Spiderman films were huge contributors to the current superhero movie phenomenon. I worked in a movie theater for a few years, and I asked the owners what their busiest movie was; they told me when the original Spiderman movie came out they had a line out the door and wrapping around the parking lot. Marvel has managed to make something that was once either purely children’s entertainment or the hobby for nerds into a mainstream sensation. As far as TV shows are concerned, DC may have more live action dramas than Marvel, but I’d bet way more people will recognize an animated Spiderman or Hulk than the live action Arrow stars. To put it simply, Marvel just has a way better image than DC. Even their worst movies are better than Batman vs Superman.

Round 2

Side 1: To say that Marvel has the most recognizable characters is a bit simplistic. Yes, maybe more people would recognize Spiderman before they would recognize the Green Arrow, but that same argument could be reversed. More people are likely to know who Superman is than they would know Hawkeye. Plus, it’s a common belief that Superman is the original superhero in terms of defining what a superhero is. If that’s not a point in DC’s favor, I don’t know what is. Also, in terms of villains, whose are the most well known? DC’s villains. The Joker, Harley Quinn, The Riddler, all of these are names that most kids grew up hearing, while, until recently, Marvel’s villains were not quite as infamous. Why would they be so well known if they weren’t great villains? In this area, DC has done much better for far longer than Marvel has. Marvel may be the current fad, but the question of who will remain superior is something that only time will show, and that is something DC has been pretty good at keeping up with.

Side 2: Marvel didn’t just change how modern cinema portrays comic heroes. They revolutionized modern television writing in general. Marvel was a pioneer of crafting connected worlds that impact each other, something DC is trying to catch up to. By writing their films in a way that even the most minor character in some sequel can come back in an Avengers title, Marvel is able to increase audience engagement, even if it’s in the third Thor movie. What’s more important, is that their movies generally star characters that all ages can enjoy. Recently DC has tried to make their movies way too dark. I’m sorry, but you can’t have your main character wear a red spandex and cape then try and have a serious plotline. Not to mention the fact that Marvel movies almost always have way better special effects. I think it speaks for itself that their biggest villain is a large, wrinkly chinned, purple giant with a magic glove, and I still totally believed he was actually walking around on set.

Side 1 argued by Rebecca Barkdoll and Side 2 argued by David Disney

136 Responses

  1. Marvel is better DC is better The characters and storylines of the Marvel universe are more entertaining. The Marvel movies have made more money; their popularity shows they are better

  3. I thing that DC is better than Marvel because DC has a history while marvel has not….Ok everybody knows who spiderman is but everybody knows who Batman and Joker is …..I agree that marvel has more fans nowadays but I think that Marvel is totally unrealistic…Dc superheroes have a base of existence alike Batman its a sociopath who is simple and fights crime, Joker and Harley are phytopaths (love you Harley ).To sum up I agree that DC has a lot of supernatural powers alike Poison Ivy’s ( love you Ivy) since this is comics but a lot of realistics such as Harley Batman Huntress Joker a thing that Marvel doesn’t have at all!!

  5. DC is way better.
    1.DC has female villains.Marvel has no female villains
    2. Just because of some popular MARVEL movies is the reason why a lot of you people think marvel is better. Watch movies like Justice League the Snyder cuts, Wonder Woman 1984, Batman vs Superman dawn of justice then you will know the meaning of super hero movies.
    3. Marvel heroes backstories are just wack. Superman did not meet his parents, Batman watched his parents get killed, Starfire got betrayed by her own sister, The flash lost his mother and his father got arrested for a crime he did not even commit .Most of the justice league member lost their parents.Black Widows origin story made me laugh ????????????????????.

    JUSTICE LEAGUE FOR LIFE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    1. If there’s not a female villain then, WHAT IS HELA? A man? Did you just completely skip over Thor’s sister? All of your points are wack. All the backstories are unique and different. It allows the different points to be allowed to be connected to the viewer/reader. Marvel is my preference but they are both good. I understand if you like DC better but make sure you understand before you judge. You clearly don’t.

      1. Totally agreed in every single thing you said…. Also watch teen titans, birds of prey,suicide squad and Harley Quinn show (the last three for those who love Supervillains)

  6. Lol… meanwhile me over here thinking about what would happen if Crisis On Infinite Earths (from the comics) and Infinity War crossed over.

  9. First of all marvel has way better movies and games and chris hemsowrth tom holland robert downey jr there actors are amazing and there games are better marvel has spiderman ps4 miles morales avengers lego marvel 1 and 2 marvel contest of champions marvel ultimate alliance and there comics are better and marvel superheroes are better iron man captain america hulk thor spiderman doctor strange colocus we got the xmen fantastic 4 bruh come on marvel ultimate alliance we got brutal dark charcters in that dc is only winning by animated shows marvel is better.

  10. marvel is 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better than dc for many reasons.

    done.

      1. backstories, plot twists, the character’s personality, their unique powers, their little inside jokes, the playlists for movies, the movies slightly mention stuff and then in upcoming movies everything links together in a way you would never imagine, deaths are normal, you can expect the unexpected, some of the quotes hit home and lastly the actors/actresses have actual personalities outside of filming

  11. I think they’re both better in their own ways. But if were talking just in general, I would say DC, because Marvel is aaaaaawwwwwwwwwllllllllllllwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyssssssssssssssss changing the actors in the movies but dc does to but Dc’s movies are from different directors thats why. So I would say DC is better than Marvel.

    1. First off, when? It has only happened twice. With Bruce Banner and Peter Parker. It is not “aaaaaawwwwwwwwwllllllllllllwwwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyssssssssssssssss “. Yes they may change some of the minor characters but so does DC. Like Henry Cavill who left the Superman role. Marvel was revolutionized for the modern days society. Getting actors who fit the role better.

  12. Alright so marvel has all the good villains mangeot dr doom galactus venom carnage ultron loki dormanuu thanos while dc joker a clown and lex luthor he isnt strong without his suit sure his brain can make these op stuff like iron man so dont call iron man useless his brain makes these op suits also marvel movies are way better marvel comics games dc villains are trash superman is trash batman is cool but legit so creepy and werid marvel has eternity one above all galactus dr doom living tribunal thanos hercules andone above all beats dc strongest charcter the presence and we got beyonder marvel in the 1990 may only had famous comics and dc had the animted hsows and comics but marvel was still popular marvel got better than dc around 1998 marvel is the best dc sucks superman batman wonderwoman superman a guy who is op to many op charcters

    1. All Marvel Characters are too unrealistic thats why I hate marvel at least Joker Harley Quinn Batman Huntress Black Canary C. GORDO Cat woman Blood sport Katana Rick Flag
      Ratcatcher ll ok…..But all these supervilains mentioned are unrealistic and have superpowers that could never exist there are superheroes that are unrealistic in dc too alike wonder woman or superman but it wouldn’t be fun if there were not any superpowers..Tosum up I am respecting your opinion but before saying anything alike Joker is a simple Clown or Superman is trash and that DC has not so much superpowers you should see Teen Titans Justice Legue Birds of prey Suicide squad2016 Flash Green Arrow Harley Quinn show …. Dark Knight … For sart ..One last thing I know that there are some DC characters that are totally trash( Lex Louthor) but dont tell me that you think that Captain America and Black Widow can beat Superman And Wonder Woman …(Marvel superpowrs are too much and Marvel is not looking deep in characters but only in making them have totaly unrealistic superpowers.

  14. Having grown up alongside them, I’ve always loved both DC and Marvel. Personally though, I have a slight preference for DC. For those people who insult DC by comparing it to MCU, you’re so ignorant.

    1. I have no problem with people stating that they do not enjoy fandom, but at least list some valid claims. Don’t compare 70+ years worth of plotlines and history to a movie franchise that’s only a decade old.

    2. For those people who claim that DC’s heroes are all too perfect, you’re wrong. Each of their characters have their own flaws and issues that they have to work through. I mean, have you seen Batman (don’t even get me started on New 52)?? DC also tends to be a lot darker than Marvel simply because they play around with the greys. Overall, that just makes their entire fandom all the more interesting.

    3. Their villain gallery is so diverse. Each one has their own backstory and it just adds to the plot. Also, there’s a huge range of villains from the small time criminals to the big bads like Darkseid or Granny Goodness or the Anit-Monitor.

    4. DC’s animated-verse is just so amazing that it outshines Marvel in this category (Other the Spectacular Spiderman. I love that show).

    5. The toxic MCU fanbase. I hate that this is one of the factors that drives me away from Marvel because Marvel does have some pretty dang good arcs. I hate that whenever I say one good thing about DC out it the open, I’m immediately attacked by so many toxic fans telling me why my opinion is wrong. I mean?? It’s a preference?? Everybody’s entitled to their own opinion?? I wasn’t even trying to attack anybody??

    So yeah. That’s pretty much my entire take on this.

    1. Just before I start, I am not attacking your opinion just make a statement. You should not judge a show, movie, or comic on their fanbases. It should be judged on the content. Anyways, I respect your opinion.

  15. i would also like to add, even though marvel heroes aren’t gods or immortal, that makes them even better. it shows that regular humans can be super, and that you don’t have to have super strength or fly or be super fast to be an avenger. iron man has his brains, black widow is a human just looking to redeem her past, clint is a father who wants the best for the world. thor is the god of thunder, but even he’s one of the few characters who are “demi-gods or gods”. captain america was a small guy who just wanted to get rid of the bullies, and hulk is a smart guy who can get uncontrollably mad and has to learn how to control it. everyone has their faults, and everyone works together as a team. just because they’re not gods doesn’t mean they can’t be heroes.

  16. I personally think marvel is better than dc. for all of you who say marvel can’t make tv shows, there’s wandavision, and it’s so good. they’re making loki, what if, and falcon and the winter soldier. wandavision takes on multiple years of film, with the actors and actresses having to learn the different forms of speech for each given century. each character has their own arc, and they all change in their own different, unique ways. you learn to see each characters’ faults, and you grow to love them, even the villain. preeetyy sure loki is the most beloved villain, and his and nebulas’ character arc is masterful and amazing to see. especially nebula, i loved seeing her blossom and growing from her past. their special effects are amazing, and the costume and makeup is remarkable. their orchestrations are beautiful, and personally i can relate to many of their faults. every character has their own cracks, and you love them even more for their insecurities. perhaps it makes them more lovable. marvel also creates their movies in a way in which EVERYTHING comes back around. for example, the song that fury was playing in caps’ apartment in “captain america: the winter soldier” was the same song that SPOILER ALERT peggy and cap were dancing to in the end of endgame. marvel directors knew time travel would be involved, since steve IS in fact the dad of peggys children. i could go on for hours, but thats my case. im not saying dc is inferior to everyone, this is my opinion, therefore it differs from others’. i dont mean to offend anyone 🙂

  17. FYI I’m supporting DC. (Ignore my grammer XD)
    DC is the clear winner if you are considering everything. DC could have been better in movies if they didn’t cut half the things that were filmed and change the story arcs. Marvel’s success in movies are mainly coz of the actors (script was also gud) but that’s it. Half of the Marvel fans are not even Marvel fans they just MCU Avengers Fan. I can bet I have watched more Marvel movies then them XD. Skip this if your are a Avenger fan u I’ll not understand my point kids.
    I read many comments posted on debates related to this and gonna answer some common questions.

    1. Thanos is not a villain, just coz ur team lost someone they love (for a greater good) doesn’t mean he is a villain that’s fking childish. Just go and watch/read some DC u will know that they consider heroes and villains equally and goes way back deep into their story. I will only accept Loki as villain he is definitely gud.
    Darkseid that the name u should search and remember don’t compare to kids like Thanos.

    2. The most common superhero names are Superman Batman & Spiderman (somewhat flash & hulk)

    3. People say DC superheroes are only God’s and not human blah blah…Dumb fks Superman is an alien from another planet who gets power from sun, u can say wonder women is as they movie showed her as daughter of Zeus (God of Lightning) so u can compare him with Thor who is an ACTUAL God of Lightning still Wonder woman wins if u search up some facts.

    4. Don’t compare Superman to Iron Man and wonder woman to Captain America LMAO. Coz those are the treading ones Compare the GOAT Dectective Batman to Genius IronMan. Iron Man has super unrealistic technology whereas Batman’s Gadgets are real (Even there are Batmobiles available) atleast he doesn’t go into the field and do *pew pew*, Iron Man can’t do shet without his armour Batman has the fking body and can beat the shet out of him, but both are rech no doubt lol.

    5. Avengers movies and full of Effects everywhere just *pew pew*, DC has that destruction and the fights that are watchable.

    6. To the people who say that DC heroes are perfect, if u can’t read the comics then just watch the DC shows and see they old them (not meta humans coz u know)

    7. Ig 70% of you didn’t know this, Search for who’s the greatest superhero (not character) in MCU (it’s not Captain Marvel or IronMan[XD]).

    8. DC comes way back and Marvel has copied most of the characters

    9. Think abt Marvel villains – Thanos, Loki, Galactus, Magneto, Red Skull, Ultron any else that comes to mind. DC Villians – Darkseid, Harley, Joker, Brainiac, Ra’s Al Ghul, Reverse Flash, Deathstroke, Lex Luthor, we have a Legion of Doom, Suicide Squad…

    10. That truth is that Marvel has so many Fans just bcoz of recent success of Stan Lee comic based movies and people just watch a 2 hour video and starts judging without knowing the past, DC was way way better than Marvel before the birth of DCEU, things that is keeping DCEU alive are the Hardcore Fans, Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Zack Snyder(Joker is based in seperate universe)

    I have a lot more to say like watch the Joker’s Box Office (R-rated Movie) or DC streaming service (shutting and going to HBO Max soon) or Marvel Bankruptcy……., but I don’t know what’s the word limit XD, people say it’s a never ending topic just coz Marvel got the kids to there side from the movies. There is only one conclusion that DC was is and ig always will be better, just coz a Part(Avenger) of it has achieved something, it makes the whole thing best

  19. I started watching superhero movies and animated series from 11 grade onwards….star movies is a famous channel in India which shows Disney owned properties….so naturally I was drawn to Marvel movies and animated series on Disney XD, a popular kids channel….then, I watched The Dark Knight Trilogy,DCEU movies, old Batman movies,etc on HBO, TV shows, and animated series on YouTube…so until 2019 I was a hardcore Marveller….but truth is, except for MCU, DC is better or atleast equal to Marvel in other media. They lead the comics, animated movies, TV shows,etc….thing is DCEU has lost its track and people judge them according to that…

    I lived in denial for a long time, but truth is Justice League of America is way more powerful than Avengers….no one Avenger can stop Superman…not even Hulk…..plus DC villians are the best….except for Loki and Thanos in MCU, there are no real fan favorite villians in Marvel….whereas in DC there is Joker, Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn(Margot Robbie version),Reverse Flash(TV show) and so on…Hero favorites are more or less the same, with Spidey, Iron Man, Hulk and Superman Batman Flash on other…

    In conclusion, DC is superior to Marvel in most kinds of entertainment except for the shared universe movies

  20. DC: More Teams, Comics, Games, Made more Live Action Films, Lego Animated and Animated Movies, TV Shows and Short Films

    Marvel: Better Special Effects, Owned by a Multi-Biliion Dollar Company called Disney, Animated Series, Box Office, TV Films.

    Equal: Copied each other, had characters that have been around for a long time.

    DC is way better than Marvel

  21. I tend to lean towards marvel. I grew up watching the incredible hulk series with Lou Ferrigno. I also watched batman with Adam West. I tend to think that marvel’s charaters are more human like where as for a long time dc was more like their heros had no problems in like. Like they were perfect. No one with love issues or such in dc. I love the joker and harley combo. I like the fact that batman has no super powers, but yet he goes toe to toe with the rest. It’s just my thoughts

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  27. I am a DC and Marvel fan. So from a pragmatic point of view. I will illustrate the comparison between the two giant companies as DC is the Sun because DC illuminated the comic universe according to comics history while Marvel is the Moon. In conclusion Marvel reflects the light thrown by DC. That is to say Marvel can never outshine DC.

  28. I am a DC and Marvel fan. For me they are one universe. So from a pragmatic point of view without being biased, DC is superior to Marvel. The best illustration I use to prove this is to view it as a universe, DC is the Sun and Marvel is the Moon. The reasons for this is,in comic history DC heroes existed before Marvel heroes and illuminated the superhero world today. So marvel reflects the light of DC as it is obvious that Most of Marvel characters are rip off of DC characters. When comparing them based on primary factors such as nature of heroes and villains, storyline etc, DC are more consistent and

  29. You say marvel is better because marvel has made movies with most of there characters but let’s not forget that DC haven’t made movies with most of there characters we are still waiting for the flash movie, the batman movie, the suicide squad, aquaman 2, black Adam, shaman 2, the cyborg movie and others, and also let’s not forget that when the mcu started, that most of there movies didn’t do too good with there box office gross but let’s check this out except for batman v superman, justice League and the David Ayers suicide squad, DC films started with big budgets and high box office gross take example man of steel, aqua man, wonder woman and the joker I mean what could be more impressive than that and let’s not talk of there costumes, TV shows and animated movies and of course there video games. DC is better I rest my case

  30. Honestly, I’ve been a Marvel fan since the beginning. The comics and movies are amazing, and so are the characters. Like said, most people will recognize Spider-Man before they recognize Green Arrow. And it is also Marvel’s storyline that creates a big effect. The whole Infinity Stone thread that was mentioned, played a huge role in the last two movies. In DC, it’s mostly just a few different battles with the same villains every time (Joker, The Riddler, etc.) and it seems like each hero has their own villain that they fight every time. Like Batman has Joker, the Flash has Reverse-Flash, Green Lantern and Sinestro, you know. And they keep fighting the same guys. Unlike Marvel, where there’s Ultron, Loki, Thanos, and stuff. The bad guys even have relations on the good side–take Thor and Loki for instance. Brothers, but one is the bad one. And Thor has to live with it–the pain of fighting his own little brother. That’s another thing. Marvel heroes seem to have more realistic lives, while DC characters are practically perfect. Batman–secret undercover guy, always serious, you know. They don’t have much personality other than their superhero lives. I mean, I’m not gonna lie, the whole Batman and Robin thing was really sweet, but Robin grew up WAAAAY too fast and became a sidekick of Batman’s. Please.
    On the other hand, Marvel characters go through a lot of human stuff. Peter Parker is Spider-Man, but he’s also a 16-year-old kid who still sees limits because of his young age. He’s bullied at school, tries his best to keep his aunt happy while they live in a tiny apartment, and has to prove to the Avengers that he’s not a kid anymore, he can fight just like them. Tony Stark is his mentor, and their father-son relationship is adorable. It really gives the fans something to root for. Thor has to deal with the pain of fighting his little brother, as mentioned before. And–S P O I L E R S!!!–while DC never kills off its main characters, Marvel is much more realistic and actually–sob–k-killed off characters. Like really major characters, SUCH AS Iron Man, and Cap. And for real. In Batman v Superman, Batman kills Superman. But in Justice League, he comes back. Seriously! And it wasn’t even some sort of spin-off with time–they brought him back from the dead. I personally think Marvel is a lot more realistic and funnier, and even really emotional at times. Like I don’t know anyone who hasn’t cried during Iron Man’s death scene, where he sacrificed himself. Or Spider-Man, who was a sweet 15-year-old, too young, and faded away in Iron Man’s arms.
    And I’m not saying DC is bad–like the TV shows are sick. A lot of people would know The Flash season 6 then they would know season one of WandaVision. But still.
    So, cough cough, yeah. Marvel is loads better than DC. Just my opinion :o).

  31. Marvel is way better then dc. just deal with it. if you can’t, you probs haven’t seen any of the movies, or read any of the comics out of pure stubbornness.

  32. DC changed how modern cinema portrays comic book characters. Batman from 1989, is considered legendary and has been called the rebirth and the movie that saved the superhero genre. Spider-Man from 2002 is an exception and I’ll elaborate latter. Batman Begins starts yet again another rebirth of the superhero genre, and specifically the origin storyline sub-genre in the superhero genre. One of the defining elements to that movie is the lack of special effects and the real aspect of it. The fact that the batmobile was a real to life vehicle made as a military prototype for the U.S. government made headlines itself. The Dark Knight was so popular that the villain, the Joker ended up staring in his own movie. Back to the point of Spider-Man from 2002 being the rare exception not the part of the main marvel franchise. Point one is Sony owns the rights to that Spider-Man movie not marvel, which is why it took so long for Spider-Man to come into the new marvel universe. Sony was able to buy the rights to Spider-Man from marvel but not the other superheroes for the same reason Disney was able to buy marvel as a whole, marvel was going bankrupt. According to all the reports I heard from published news sources as well as the comic fans I know in person or are online marvel had two options close everything or sell to Disney because they were going bankrupt. Disney decided to buy marvel based on the success of The Dark Knight trilogy which lead to uv shows like Gotham but also cartoons and video games. So the modern marvel movies only exist because Disney is a multi billion dollar company and bought the rights.

    Last point DC had its own streaming service with DC Universe which is shutting down in 2021 and becoming part of hbo max because AT&T bought out Time Warner. Marvel never had its own streaming service the new films are part of Disney’s streaming service but I don’t know if it includes any of the title that Disney didn’t make. Marvel seems to right the coat tales of DC, and DC seems largely driven by Batman or characters originally from the Batman comics to the point he has a small part in the Wonder Woman movie.

  35. This was a poorly constructed debate on both sides. Most of these discussions revolve around movies, which shows that most people dont understand the history of these characters from either franchise.

    But it speaks more against Marvel, because movies is all that theyve done “well”. Both Marvel & DC are multimedia franchises. “Multi”, meaning more than one medium. However, movies are the only medium that Marvel has done “well” in. Even if you think DC has lagged in the movie department, no one can deny that DC dominates love action TV, animation, & video games.

    Meanwhile, Marvel has very little animated content (good or otherwise), limited TV content, & limited gaming content.

  36. I think that marvel is way better than DC I mean who is making box office records with pretty much every one of there movies? Not dc dc is absolute shit at making good movies

  38. I think I love dc because dc knows how to break the boundary of a persons imagination which marvel fails in many ways. I love DC because their characters are overpowered. that is also the reason I like OPM anime so much. the main thing is how you can break the boundary of a persons imagination even with little power like will.

  40. And plus, why does dc characters all have sort of the same super powers?? Like super man have super speed, the again wonder woman has it too, then AGAIN flash has it also. While marvel characters made most of their superpowers, more imaginative and diffrent than the others. So marvel won me this time.

  41. I pretty much think that marvel is better than DC, 1st thing: is that marvel is suitable for all ages, kids, teens, etc. They all have great sense of humor, and not serious most of the time, while dc is all about seriousness. Marvel is more CREATIVE than dc. Because dc made their superheroes from all living things, and stuff on the earth, and eaths elements. Like supermans powers are fly, speed, and the lazer eye thingy, froze their enemies etc. While marvel made thei auper powers much more creative. Like, spiderman, shoots webs etc, and one more thing. Marvels superheroes arent all with super powers. Like captain america, black widow, hawkeye, ironman, falcon, and many more. While dc have more heroes with superpowers than a normal human. Which means what marvel is trying to say is that you can be a super hero even if you dont have super powers. And yeah. Thats all i gotta say. Oh- and marvel movies have more likes than DC’s movies its because not only they show us to never give up, friendship, and loyalty, brave, and courage. But they make us feel like were in a family together. And DC are sure friends but they also like to fight with each other. What i meant is that they treat each other like family. And they have a greater bonfld than dc. DC also only have a few dark skin super heroes. While marvel have so many, like black panther, falcon, and iron mans friend *idk the name sry* but marvel make us believe that were not alone and that we could do so much things together. RIP chadwick boseman. Youll forever be in our hearts king.

  42. Also shazam was quite a very crappy movie, his only reasonable scene was when he saved that bus and it was due to his stupidity that that accident even happen, i mean Shazam became the Kim K of the dceu in that movie and how can his true potential be to share his powers among a bunch of random people that he lived with for like only 3 days or thereabout and the villians in that movie seemed quite useless and i hear that dc villians are very good. you are fighting agains the seven deadly sins how did someone who only had FLIGHT win one of the sins?!?!?!?! it took them about less than 1 hour to master their powers but how long did it take shazam to master his own powers

  43. To be honest DC is quite terrible compared to Marvel, they arent all that bad per say to me they are better than marvel in mabye something like making animations???????? or Kids show. moreso their DCEU movie are quite crappy how many of their movies have reached top charts???? compared to Marvel, Endgame came and beat Avatar to be the highest grossing movie ever but where was DC then? Sometimes dc is to scared to release movies the same time with marvel cause they are scared if the competition and they know they wont win. Nevertheless dc characters are so freakin cliche, all the hero’s are so alike what the difference between them, they all have super stregth, super speed and one other weird power like this. why does dc never ever want to let superman die, i mean if he is meant to die just leave his soul to rest in piece and that’s all move on with life, some times i begin to fell that superman IS the DCEU cause without superman i dont think the JL can win any fight, true or true????? Look at green lantern, he claims to weild the most powerful weapon on the universe but yet he is so weak, i ean hulk can smash that his ring to pieces in one squash of his hand. i know that marvel to isnt all that perfect they have their own errors but dc is still way crappy compared to marvel

  44. First of all…the title should be MCU vs DCEU…not MARVEL vs DC. And also, in the article,it was written that MCU’s worst movies are way better than batman vs superman… like… seriously???? Have you even seen the ultimate version of BvS…and if you think that Thor The Dark World and captain marvel were better than Batman vs Superman… then you really need to change your choices…and also… marvel has repetitive movies except perhaps Russo Brothers ones…they are great…
    Also…DC COMICS are wayyyy better than the Marvel ones…. animated series too and games too…their movie’s are also quite good it’s just that Marvel made people think that superhero movie needs to be overhumoured

  45. dceu future is very bright than marvel because the upcoming movies are gonna kick marvels butt the upcoming movies are Black Adam, The flash, The Batman, Justice league snyder cut, The suicide squad 2, Aquaman 2, Shazam 2 fury of the gods and wonder woman 1984

  47. dc is awesome, but marvel was also great before endgame but now mceu have lost the greatest superheroes like captain america, iron man, black widow, gamora so now i guess that for the past few years dc is making great movies too so i think in the future dc would be on the top

  48. I think DC has better villans and well known heros but when it comes to special effects and green screen then MARVEL always wins. Also, since all MARVEL heros are humans so their problems are more realistic and relatable to the real world while DC has god’s that always win, MARVEL has humans with extraordinary capabilities. To be totally honest DC nailed it with Wonder Woman but if DC wants to get ahead of MARVEL then they better improve their effects, like you can easily make out that Superman actually flies through ropes that are cut out by the special effects because he rises up gently then starts flying in one direction with a straight body and arms in the front for no obvious reason, while when Captain Marvel or Iron Man flies, then they do all kinds of flips and stuff that doesn’t make it super obvious that they are using ropes.

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  50. U guys are basin it on movies. Yes the MCU have better movies than the dceu(for now with movies like wonder woman , Shazam, birds of prey, aquaman ). Now DC based movies are better than marvel movies ( dark night, joker) plus DC have better comics, games, TV shows, animated shows, animated movies(the best example is justice league dark: apokolips war which got a better rotten tomatoes score than avengers endgame and a lot of people on the Internet preferred it)

  51. by the way dc villains are way better than marvel out of all marvel villain characters only galacties and thano are good and even if the went up against dc villains theyll be at the bottom

  52. dc is way more stronger than marvel will ever be , and don’t pretend marvels characters don’t die and just come back from the died . and wonder women is a demi god and in 52 she was a the new god of war , shazam is and will all ways be the fun kid , writers just went into that side of him more . and if anyone has a clue of comic history the fantastic four ,xmen and avengers would not be here without dc’s doom patrol and justice league . but i will agree marvel is better at live action movies like way better but when it comes to animated and tv shows dc wins also the dark knight is way better than any marvel movie , dc more iconic than marvel . dc is way more tragic than marvel ,and to people who are just basing a choice on the movies go to the comics and you’ll see ur wrong but at the end of the day a good movie or COMIC is just that no matter which company . and also dc has way more relatable characters

  53. marvel is better than dc because it sticks to one story.Again dc loves to be better, superheroes that are gods, their movies are boring,low stunts marvel however is my b est.It sticks to one story.DC likes to surprise fans so they make a lot of movies,tell me how many times has batman died?And can batman see in those tiny holes?I know the greeks can agree with me if i say wonder woman was never a god [with a small g of course ]Is it possible for randopm guys to be chosen to have powers, shaza m is worthy? he is greedy loves money.In the movie shazam he broke an A.T.M. and stole money. Superman is a walking bomb, if his girlfriend even gets a cold he goes insane .I will always love marvel, till i die.

  54. I think that DC has the most iconic superheroes ever!!! But Marvel makes movies more but when DC makes movies they are amazing. I used to think that DC was better but then I actually watched Avengers and realised that is was even better. Do not get me wrong I love all the super heroes in DC too but Marvel has even more superheroes then Marvel and Marvel even though they do not take as long as DC to make movies the special effects in Marvel are a lot better than Dc. So I would have to say that Marvel is better.

  55. Marvle is obviously way better than DC. although, I will admit that the DC universe has some of the best comics ever. But, there movies are not as good. They don’t use realistic special effects. The characters are also way to OP. Marvel is good enough to know not to make all of their hero’s Gods/demigods. Marvel does have some OP characters to but not nearly as many as the DC universe. The Marvel universe has a nice equality that DC fails to acqire.

    I rest my case~

  56. Marvel is much more better the DC. DC is nothing in comparison with marvel. I am a huge marvel fan. DC movies are so boring. Marvel is best. Follow marvel. Marvel zindabad.

  58. F*** everyone who says marvel is better.
    For goodness sake Bruce watched his parents die.
    Harley Quinn is in a toxic and abusive relationship.
    Raven saw her entire realm get destroyed by her father who by the way is a demonic entity called trigon.
    Starfire was betrayed by her own sister.
    The animated universe is way better than anything marvel try to do.
    Superman never met his parents because well his damn planet got destroyed. Yeah so keep saying marvel characters have gone through more. Who recognizes thanks when he is standing next to joker or even Harley Quinn

  59. Dc is the worst because it is really dark and horrible well at least marvel creates good movies like the spiderman trilogy and the movies incuding tom holland Honestly i think we can all agree marvel is better for children because IT IS AWESOME BETTER EFEECTS THAN DC

  62. well.. dc is bettee than marvel due to characters,tv shows and other stuffs..
    when i was i kid i watched dc cartoons and marvel cartoons but dc cartoons are better than marvel’s.
    but movie wise.. they’re equally good

  63. I think that they are both great but Marvel is still better because marvel has tons of characters you would immediately recognize but with dc the only characters you would immediately recognize are Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman.

  66. Heath Ledger also did the best acting for Joker and so did Joaquin Phenix, so that’s the reason DC is a little better than Marvel, but it’s not like I hat Marvel, hope you don’t mind Marvel Fans

  67. lolmayor101, i think that both are best, but DC is a liitle better than Marvel as storyline wise. Don’t say Marvel is trash or DC is trash. they made my childhood

  68. Well, Not quite, and it’s not like i’m saying I hate Marvel or anything but Marvel has more superheroes and a lot of CGI, For example let’s say Christopher Nolan’s Batman, it did a good job and it had a good CGI but not enough, the storyline is best and the emotions and the music too in the movie, of course, Hans Zimmer did, but Marvel has a more of a different look than DC as it has a lot of CGi and a lot of superheroes. So I think both are best ????

  69. I think that Marvel IS WAY better than DC. People keep saying that DC has better villains but after endgame I think you have to say that Thanos has to win the villains. The superheroes in marvel are way better because you really know them like how you would know your friends because they put their back story in their movie like Captain America you know just by watching the first movie you are kinda like friend cause you know ALL ABOUT HIM. So if we are talking about comics I like DC better but if we talk movies here I realllllllllly like Marvel because movies these days are are like real life but you are watching their lives at that time so the movies are super duper important. There my option staded I think that Marvel is better A LOT better.

  70. Marvel is just way better than DC as they have wide variety of characters from different origins. from norse mythology, scientists, super soldiers, aliens, beings made from mutation from atomic bombs and infinity stones and tech champs.
    while everyone in DC just have mysterious and inexplicable origins, They also have a rich guy with an attitude,karate skills and child like gadgets.
    genuis, billonaire, playboy, philanthropist vs rich punk with a Halloween costume
    actual norse god vs basic alien in spandex underwear
    AI program with vibranium body and infinity stone vs half human half robot gadget boy
    radiated human with god like energy manipulation powers vs medevial age warrior woman in the modern age

    I mean, what is the comparision about??

  71. DC is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than marvel. movie wise its marvel but how does any of it make sense? first there is a random guy from another planet suddenly tries to invade newyork not the other parts of the earth??? and in endgame how did thor almost die? he is a GOD and he almost died???! makes alot of sense. Then people are saying dc heroes are perfect? green arrow had to go through 5 years in hel* and before that his father killed himself then he watched his mother get murdered. He had a choice of killing slade or giving him the cure but he killed him. very perfect right?
    batman watched his parents get murdered. flash saw his mother get murdered and his father got sent to prison for it even though he didn’t do it. then story line is better at dc than marvel without a doubt cause it makes sense unlike marvel. so basically everything is better in dc than marvel and even marvel copied dc.

  72. There are a few things to consider. Don’t get me wrong both cinematic universes are awesome but excel in different fields. For the MCU, it’s a universal consensus that they have awesome movies. This is considering the financial success they’ve had, continuity in storylines and good casting apparently.
    For the DCEU, let’s be brutally honest. They have mostly shitty movies so far(waiting to review the snyder cut) BUT the animated movies are to die for. Their comics are on point with much better characterisations and backstories than the MCU. DCEU villains have well structured storylines compared to their counterparts. MCU villains are quite shitty so to say. In a nutshell, movie wise MCU but everything else DC all day

  73. “Marvel is better than dc because marvel has better life-action movies than dc” THE DUMBEST SHIT I’VE EVER HEARD
    Not like I don’t love MARVEL or something but resorting to MCU during a discussion won’t make any change like dude for god sake if you gonn compare who’s better start with : comics, toys, video games, animated movies/series, life-action series then the MCU and the DCEU
    All that leads to one simple conclusion DC has better comics, characters, animated movies/series, life action series, video games while MARVEL has only the best life action movies which makes DC has preference more than MARVEL
    In conclusion DC is 100 ways better than MARVEL by its games comics animated productions and life action series and fame in history and MARVEL has the best movies as the MCU

  74. I think marvel is way better then dc because their movies are better, their timelines are better, they are funnier, and the actors of the superheroes are awsome (example: Robert downy jr. Chris Hemsworth Chris Evans Tom Holland Chris Pratt and such. SO MARVEL IS OBVIOUSLY BETTER IN EVERY WAY.

  75. Marvel is a way better than DC. But DC is too trying to improve. But the only thing I don’t like about DC is their characters are very much overpowered. That’s one of the reasons that they are not famous as marvel

  76. (spoilers) did you forget that Flash’s dad didn’t actually kill his wife? And that he got his dad back AND that he still had a whole loving family, you speak like nothing in their lives ever went right, but he married the woman he loved. He also ruined the timeline multiple times to get what he wanted while these people called the Avengers(the ones who are good superheroes) sacrafice their own lives, they aren’t greedy and they have had more tragic backstories. Much like getting trapped in ice for years, never being able to be with your one true love, but having to live everyday knowing that you saved the world but you won’t ever be truly happy. Oh! There is also BOTH of your parents being killed in a car crash, but wait! It turns out your friend’s brother actually killed them and he is a whole nother backstory. Oh and more are the X-Men. Ahhh growing up in Germany, being split from your family, having to show people your powers, having to hide your powers, when a guy is about to be crushed by heavy machinery you save his life, but opsie someone told on you, your family gets killed and you end up getting accused of murdering the president, of course the friend that you accidently paralyzed, and a guy from the future, need your help to save the world so they then break you out of prison and you find out you had a son the whole time. Marvel is so much better than DC.

  77. I’m a DC and a Marvel fan and I think that they are both good in their own ways.

    -DC has a lot better TV shows
    -But Marvel’s films are ????
    -The comics I think are about the same

    Lots of Marvel fans are saying that Marvel characters are more relatable and fun, this is true but I hope that in the new Flash movie it will be more upbeat, because Barry Allen is hilarious and an absolute mood. Someone also said that Marvel characters have been through more, that is not true. For example- Batman witnessed both of his parents get murdered and Flash’s dad got arrested for killing Flash’s mum.

    So overall I think that they are both good in their own ways, and just because Marvel is trendy at the moment doesn’t mean that DC is bad.

  78. To start with, for me Marvel is better than DC because I find the Marvel’s heroes more realistic and more fun than DC’s heroes. Anyway I like both companies and I feel that both need to have respect from each other fans. Personally I don’t see the need to have a debate for which is better because they are companies that create to entertain us.

  79. marvel: highest box office :2.billion (avengers engame)also captain marvel(1 billion)infinity war (1Billion)all avengers movie gained 1.billon(including first avengers(
    marvel : lowest movie 100-200millon inluding the incredible julk does not really count as mcu cause of edward norton.
    dc :highest 800millon( justice league )
    dc lowest 50 millon
    superman and batman made 200 millon
    thays likearvels lowest.

  80. also they care more for women like captain marvel blackwidow etc. the women give a lot of benefit without them mc will be trash . dc women are not that important to them even if thet have had two movies based on them like captain marvel and blackwidow ,harley quinn wonderwomen .
    there shows dont have alot of women onlt like supergirl. what will the mu be like without pepper potts. and they are so more internationally thats not aword but they ho to more places and worlds than dc only krypton and the other place I cant remenber . they have realms (mu) have characters that really benefit all dc characters have the same or no powers at all.I was so cglad wharn I heared nigerian state in about two movies. in dc its just gotham and arklyham.which are not even real

  81. I personally think marvel is better they are more realistic and appreciate the flaws of others and even let other civilians help sometimes. even if there villian are more unknown excuse forgot about thanos , kingpin, ghost the rest are mostly from spiderman created by stan lee they have a more comedic side which is good for kids and adults. the only dc movie for kids is shazam.
    they even
    tell real life stories and have more real life characters and context.

  82. Dc is trash and so are the fans they are mostly annoying people who only play video games and are lazy marvel has the most iconic hero’s like spiderman and they are all op like captain marvel .Marvel movies are the best and always come out on the top . here are marvels most op hero’s: captain marvel spiderman Hulk thor ant man the wasp iron man captain america and loki plus dc heros are trash just like the cast and whoever prefers dc should switch to marvel dc is sh*t

  86. I feel DC characters are more complicated than marvel characters, that is having the tendency to switch from good to bad or god to tyrant Which makes them very original and interesting. Contrary to popular belief DC characters are no where near perfect. Superman may be god like but what about Clark kent, who by the way is his best alter ego. How many problems does Clark have. How many problems does Bruce have how about oliver and the rest. Plus DC villains are very special and original. Their villains are very human unlike marvel villains who always happen to pop out of nowhere and become all powerful. The only reason ppl like marvel better is becuz of MCU movies. But other than that DC is far more superior

  87. Marvel tells a story .it adds in extra stuff that comes in later.DC makes everything to SAD and marvel has comedy and the occasional sadness that makes everyone love it even more.DC is to sad and to perfect. Except for the *overdramatic* backstorys.Then you have to be brutal.they have a bad backstory but the rest is to perfect. Marvel is way better.

  88. The only thing Marvel has done better than DC are the movies and getting fans, but if we’re going to look at everything else like TV shows, Iconic characters, storylines, and how realistic each character is DC comes out on top. If you look at both heroes and villians in the DC you get how realistic things can be and how their storylines are Iconic, i mean you all know what made them to star crime fighting or start going bad, but you never really know where some of the characters from Marvel come from. Now look at the TV shows yes Arrow may not be that famous but everyone watches the Arrowverse series, tell me of a TV show from marvel i would like.

    DC OVER MARVEL!!!

  89. So, I see that many people prefer marvel over dc because of their movies and characters that are humans with god abilities(like y’all got Thor who is actually GOD).
    I wanna say this to everyone who thinks that DC’s characters are perfect-so we gonna forget the fact that Superman’s planet got blown up or that Batman’s parents were killed right in front of his eyes, or Cyborg had to become cyborg because of an accident??
    DC’s characters are gods…*batman, alfred, catwoman, nightwing and other human dc characters left the chat*
    Oh, yeah, and let’s not forget that Marvel got the idea for your beloved Thanos from…..DC’s Darkseid
    To all Marvel fans, please first do your researches about DC and then go and say sh*t like that.
    That’s what I wanted to say. Aaaand dc is better. Bye

  93. One thing to remember is what reaction joker movie created. Even DC villan movies can be phenomenal. Over and above dc superhero’s are more popular. Also, the last few DC movies have shown that they can also make it big
    Wonder woman, Aquaman and even Shazam

  94. MARVEL Vs DC
    MCU Vs DCEU
    DC characters has a strong base of origin ( heros and villains ). MCU movies are not like for everyone. DC is around for generations. MARVEL mainly focus on light toned and funny story sides DC focus on serious story lines and MARVEL is making a video game called the avengers ( gaming fans don’t pick that game ). While Batman’s Arkham games ( gaming fans picked these because it gave more of a actual video game ( the avengers NO it’s not gonna attract the gaming fans ). DC is beating MARVEL in every aspect ( TV shows, animated movies, video games, comics ( maybe equal )). DCEU in recent years it has a few good movies ( wonder woman, aquaman, Shazam, joker ( not DCEU). I prefer realistic movies other than kid friendly movies. #DC

  95. DC sucks. The characters are too perfect and Marvel has actual Humans as characters who are complex. Marvel has way better movies and maybe DC has better comics but movies are a lot more important these days.

  97. I believe DC is better because they got better animated movies, show,s and comic books. While have better movies. Like DC have more iconic superheroes than marvel example a lot more people know Batman than did Captain America, Superman than hulk.

    The only reason why people like marvel more than DC because they only watch the movies but not read the comic books of DC

  99. If I had a top ten list of comic book heros they would all be Batman characters.

    The hero and all of his villains are simply the best. The only other hero’s needed are his side kicks (Nightwing, Robin, Catwoman etc)

    With all of Batman’s movies, cartoons, and comics combined (good and bad) tops any other comic book legacy with character depth alone.

  100. marvel is complete dogshit dc is way better marvels characters are weak batman can probably take on the entire mcu thanos is weak to darkseid can annihilate him easily

  101. Marvel wins
    When you watch a marvel film you fill like
    you could possess their power for example any time a spider climbs some one he will say “let it bit me so I can become spider Man”
    DC heroes
    Are gods ,just like super man and wonder woman
    Marvel hero’s are humans with God like
    Abilities just like iron Man with out his suit is nothing
    Marvel films are telling one story with out people noticing , until of recent
    While DC ????????‍♂️????????‍♂️????????‍♂️????????‍♂️????????‍♂️????????????????????????

  108. in terms of:
    movies: Marvel
    TV shows: DC
    Comics: both are equally good
    video games: marvel
    music: DC
    I guess what i’m trying to say is i love both equally.

  111. may i just add this, DC may have been around for longer, but who has 5 of the top 10 box office hits of all time, Marvel, and who somehow made the most liked and most hated villain of this decade and maybe century, Marvel, and what has DC done, oh yes they mad 67 batman movies (don’t believe me, google it). Marvel is better hands down.

  113. DC is better than Marvel because DC actually came first and many of its characters, such as Hulk, are actually copied from DC. The only thing Marvel beats DC in is movies. Other than that, DC is doing far better than Marvel. Take comics for example. I was watching a Cosmonaut Variety Hour video on the MCU movies, and he admits his comics are made mainly up of DC Comics. DC also beats Marvel in animated shows. DC has been long shining before Marvel was invented. I could also be neutral because there is also proof that the Marvel and DC rivalry is only among the fans.

  114. Well, it depends is this debate about DC vs Marvel or DCEU vs Marvel? Personally I think DC is better if you are talking about the whole universe aka the older cartoons, the comics the whole shebang, But, I will say that the MCU has seemed more impressive when it came down to it. Although I do think that DCEU villains are more developed than MCU villains.

  115. I grew up with DC on TV and at first only read their comics. When I started reading Marvel, too, I noticed a huge difference. The Marvel characters seemed more “human” and seemed to be more willing to show their problems in love, life, and careers. My experience with DC characters were that they were next to perfect, had no problems or concerns, and always won. Things have since changed.
    Now, I still lean more towards DC out of loyalty and nostalgia, but really appreciate both. My wish would be that they would merge into once company. Even if they kept them in two different worlds (such as DCs infamous/famous Earth 1 or Earth Prime), they could pool their creative skills and it would benefit everyone. Marvel could come up with some decent TV shows and DC could have some decent movies – besides just Batman and Superman. Wouldn’t you love to see a great Justice League movie that tied together several single hero movies together like the recently finished Infinity Stone Thread with Marvel?

  116. I think Marvel wins by a landslide for many reasons. Not only have Spiderman and Hulk been popular from the 1960 s , but they seem to keep their fans cheering until their 80s. Two of Marvel´s greatest characteristics are that almost all of their comics are like puzzle pieces that all lead up to an epic battle or crossover. Time travel is also included. There are many more reasons I can list, but it would take way too long. If they were to fight, Iron man would eventually find Kryptonite and kill superman. Spiderman can web everyone up while Thor strikes them with lightning, giving Iron man enough time to call in Veronica to put them in a vibranium trap.

    I rest my case!!!

  117. I think that DC is a good Batman and Superman very famous but Marvel is a lot lot lot good and Marvel characters are just like heroes their movies are filled with thrill, action including some entertainment but DC focuses on destructions, fights but marvel created by Stanlee. it is one of the best thing I ever saw on television DC movie Batman vs Superman and Superman itself were not so famous but in the movie Iron Man, Thor The dark world and avengers infinity war and world’s biggest movie avengers endgame is alot good than DC movies

    In the end I will say that Marvel is a lot better than DC and Marvel is the most famous superhero platform

    I love Marvel and I feel that most of the people in this world love Marvel.
    Marvel studios is the best.

  118. When you are comparing comic giants you only take perspectives through movies. Well, say let’s take a different eye : DC heroes are Gods and Marvel’s are men with God like abilities ,Its either the actor or the human character that makes them a hit in the movies (THINK-robert downey, holland….),talking about animated films, TV series and the rest, marvel is a dumb zero.And does marvel have fans for its villains? DC has! Joker, poison ivy ..

  119. I think Marvel is little good than DC because
    Marvel is more creative and also they have powerfull characters compire to DC characters
    On the other hand, when it’s come to TV shows, DC is better than Marvel. So I think they are all good in their or at a particular way.

  121. I think marvel is better than DC because they have better and more powerful characters and their characters are easier to relate to because they go through harder issues than any DC character has ever had to go through.

  122. DC has a much more devoloped charcters including supervillans. In Marvel sometimes they meet the bad guy and is like oh we have to kill them. In DC there super villans and super heros go way back. Also DC characters are a little more relatable because they are not bad nor good. Sure they take that to an extreme but still. For Example Batman does some questionable things that you think ‘He is supposed to be the good guy’ but he never kills on purpose. Then uou look at Jocker and yes he is super insane but he has reasons why that almost reminds you that he is human not a mad man with no feelings. I can admit the DC’s movies are too dark but at least there characters are not goody two shoes jumping around with a hammer or shield fighting a guy who is purple.

  123. I think marvel and dc are both working differently. Marvel keeps its tone light with some jokes while dc keeps its tone a bit dark with a more realistic approach.They both have grown differently, marvel growed more while dc is trying its best to take over marvel.

    Umang katiyar

  124. I think marvel is better than dc but after the release of wonder woman dceu has grown stronger. If dceu wants to take over mcu then it has give great movies like wonder woman in future and it also needs to work upon its dark tone in its movies. And marvel is continuing to give the best light toned superhero movies which the audience appreciates.

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